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2020 Term 3 Koans Online Zen Group Roshi Susan Murphy Sensei Kynan Sutherland Social Action Talks Teachers

‘Where can we meet after death?’

‘In the orchard of spring
There is neither long nor short
The heavily flowering branches grow,
Each according to its length.’

Talk #3 from Term 3 of our Online Zen Group for 2020. Click here for other talks in this series.

Teacher: Roshi Susan Murphy
Response: Sensei Kynan Sutherland
11 October 2020

Dedicated to Thich Nhat Hanh

True friendship transcends intimacy and alienation.
Between meeting and not meeting there is no difference.
On the old plum tree, fully blossomed,
Southern branch owns the whole spring!
Northern branch owns the whole spring!

Nyogen Sensaki

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Questioner: Where can we meet after death?
Thich Nhat Hanh: We shall always be meeting, at the beautiful heart of peace.

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2020 Term 3 Koans Online Zen Group Roshi Susan Murphy Sensei Kynan Sutherland Talks Teachers

‘One appropriate response’

Talk #2 from Term 3 of our Online Zen Group for 2020. Click here for other talks in this series.

Teacher: Roshi Susan Murphy
27 September 2020

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Dawn Dojo Koans Roshi Susan Murphy Sensei Kynan Sutherland Talks Teachers

Dawn Dojo #5: Encouraging Words | 108 Bells

Talks and 108 Bells, from our 5th and final fullmoon gathering of the Dawn Dojo for 2020. Click here for other talks in this series.

Teachers: Roshi Susan Murphy (Part 1) & Kynan Sutherland (Part 2)
6am | 4th August 2020

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Dawn Dojo Koans Roshi Susan Murphy Sensei Kynan Sutherland Talks Teachers

Dawn Dojo #4: It’s Alive | Song of Zazen

Talks from our 4th fullmoon gathering of the Dawn Dojo. Click here for other talks in this series.

Teachers: Roshi Susan Murphy (Part 1) & Kynan Sutherland (Part 2)
6am | 4th August 2020

In this talk our teachers both mention Hakuin’s ‘Song of Zazen’. You can read the full text of the Song of Zazen here.

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Dawn Dojo #3: Genjokoan

Talks from our 3rd fullmoon gathering of the Dawn Dojo.

Teachers: Roshi Susan Murphy (Part 1 & 2) & Kynan Sutherland (Part 2)
6am | 5th July 2020

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In this talk our teachers take up Dogen’s text: The Genjokoan. You can download a copy of the full text here to read.

Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great, the moon is reflected even in a puddle an inch wide. The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in dewdrops on the grass, or even in one drop of water.

Enlightenment does not divide you, just as the moon does not break the water. You cannot hinder enlightenment, just as a drop of water does not hinder the moon in the sky.

The depth of the drop is the height of the moon. Each reflection, however long or short its duration, manifests the vastness of the dewdrop, and realizes the limitlessness of the moonlight in the sky.

Dogen Zenji – Genjokoan

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2020 Term 1 Covid-19 Online Zen Group Sensei Kynan Sutherland Teachers Words

Once there was a woman who lived inside a rock

Dear Sangha,


I just received my (very belated) copy of the New York Review of Books, and came across this little story in an essay called “Buddhist Baedekers”. It begins like this:

Once there was a woman who lived inside a rock. She had a husband, a desiccated, barren yogi, who also inhabited the rock and spent his days and nights in meditation, striving for liberation from earthly existence; he never touched his wife, whom he had created out of his own imagination. The woman, “like a lotus burnt by frost,’ was weary of this loveless life: she, too, sought release.   One day a great sage, Vasishtha, wandering through the wilderness, heard the woman singing a sad and gentle song; he followed her voice and found her sitting outside the rock. She introduced herself and told the sage her story.   She also taught him how to follow her into the rock. This took some practice – at first Vasishtha could see only the rough, stony surface. Eventually, he was able to enter the deep, open spaces inside. There he saw endless worlds folded within worlds; every atom contained millions of interlocking universes. 

It’s a great story. It resonates on many levels, especially in this moment of forced isolation and “social distancing”. The desiccated, barren yogi can’t touch his wife because he’s fixated on liberating himself from earthly existence, represented by his wife, who for the time being remains a figment of his imagination, a fantasy. This is serious trap indeed – the dream of transcending the body, escaping pain, passion and difficulty. But the woman, thankfully, grows weary of this “loveless life”, and sings her sad and gentle song. It’s this that catches the sage’s ear and brings the two together – beyond inside and outside.


We’re told the sage learns from the woman how to enter the rock. What a beautiful move – to enter the earth itself instead of seeking salvation elsewhere! This takes practice, of course, but it’s what draws the sage into the deep, open spaces inside. He sees millions of interlocking universes, worlds folded within worlds. How wonderful!


I’m reminded of a great case from the Record of Chao-chou. A monk asks, “What about when the three-pronged sword has not yet fallen?” (The three pronged sword is is the moment before discrimination).   Chao-chou said, “Densely packed together”   The monk asked, “What about after it has fallen?”   Chao-chou said, “Wide open spaces.”


We’re living in a strange moment right now. The world can feel like it’s closing in, rubbing up against us, suffocating our lives with bad news and restricted movement. The pressure of change can make everything feel “densely packed together”, even when we’re being told to stand 1.5m apart. From this point of view, it’s easy to see why the sage only saw the rough, stony surface of the rock at first. But he must have asked himself, is that all there is? Or is the rock inviting me into something greater, something of richer value? What if everything is so densely packed together that it becomes seamless, whole?


In response to the monk’s question about what happens after the three-pronged sword has fallen (ie. with discrimination), Chao-chou says, “Wide open spaces.” This can be taken multiple ways – it’s a koan after all. On the one hand, discrimination cuts us off from one another. It creates a space between beings, between me and you, where we are suddenly as far apart as heaven and earth. On the other hand, discrimination can be found to be completely empty, a wide open door to infinite possibility. What a beautiful invitation! And what a beautiful challenge for all of us right now – to find the wide open spaces in the midst of this extraordinary moment of lockdown, isolation, sadness and despair.


To find the wide open spaces in the midst of difficult takes practice, of course. Which is why we gather and turn our attention to all the human warmth, love and sorrow – the “sad, gentle song” – that is being sung right now, in every aspect of our lives. Everywhere I turn I see solemn faces, serious behaviour, genuine tenderness, blessed humour. None of this can be ignored. In fact, it’s the very song we must follow to find the wide open spaces of profound opportunity and connection, the interlocking universes of our lives.


Just ask the woman who lived inside a rock.


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Kynan